Now there's a story about you that I thought would be relevant to this case. Which is, when you were in elementary school I'm told that you had collected funds for a classmate who was viewed as, I think you viewed him as departed even though he was only on vacation. >> Yes. >> And then at some point the principal finds out about this. And threatens you with some severe punishment. And you somehow manage to get out of it. >> Yes. >> How did you do that? >> Well this is the famous Moppo story which has even appeared in the New Yorker magazine. >> Okay. >> And my cohort in that was Larry King. >> Mm-hm. >> And what really happened was on the way to school some kid kept coming up to us and saying, hey you guys are in the know. What happened to this kid Gilbert? And we said, we don't know. He kept coming back. We don't know. And I have this rule, if I tell you the truth two times, the third time I'm gonna tell you what'll satisfy you. So I said to him, through the side of my mouth, Moppo, which is his nickname, Moppo's dead. The kid ran back to school and got there before us. And we were in a homeroom class and by the time we got there, everyone was talking about it. What should we do? Cuz he was so young, he was 14. >> Tragic. >> So we thought it would be nice to collect money. So we collected money. And not only from our class, we collected from others. So we had a lot of money and we went down to Nathan's, place has hotdogs, and we gorged ourself on that food. And then the principal found out about it. He didn't know we spent the money, but he thought it was a very admirable thing that we had done. And the New York Times was under pressure cuz they never wrote anything about Brooklyn. This occurred in Bensonhurst Brooklyn. >> Before Brooklyn was cool. >> Yeah, in other words, they did all their coverage in Manhattan, and Brooklyn was some sort of outer place. And so they sent a reporter down to cover the story and there was a big assembly. And the we were sitting up on a stage and I remember being panicked, we were being honored. There was a sign behind us that read, We live in deeds not years. And I just wanted to get this over with. The principal's speaking and suddenly this guy Moppo, who the principal called up and found out the phone was disconnected, arrives. And the assembly was before school started, and he had to get in through the back doors. He hit the doors and the door swung open. And I panicked, I got up and said, Go home Moppo, you're dead. And the whole assembly started laughing cuz they knew the scam. And then the principal took us to his office and threatened. And people claim that was my first [LAUGH] big negotiation. I said look, we screwed up but we're kids. How would this look for you? I mean, you didn't even check this out, you made one call. Maybe we can work this out without us going to penitentiary or anything like that. And ultimately it was worked out, he got rid of us, we went on to high school. And so that story has stayed with me all these years. It's not the most ethical behavior I've exhibited. >> You were younger. >> Young and foolish. >> Young and foolish. So, to me, the key lesson of that story is this notion of being allocentric. Of truly understanding the position of the principal. And thinking about that from understanding that that's why it really wasn't his interest to elevate this and get more publicity about it. >> Yes, yes.