Some of you guys may be graduating from the college. Some of you are thinking about your future career. Some of you think about changing your career. So there are enough IT professions available out there. We've got Business Analytics, we've got programming, we've got systems analysis, but now we're introducing something new to you, which is Information Systems Auditing. So now you might ask yourself. Compare to those other IT technologies, other IT professions, how about IS audit? Compare IS audit with other technologies. Would it be a profession that you all think about to go for your future? So for that question, I would like to ask of, course, practitioner, the partner of a big four company. Having lot of experience and recruiting yourself. So what kind of advice that you would like to give to them? >> I think, for those other IT field, we're not talking about the IS audit. I think many of the students could be familiar with that. >> That's true, that's true, that's true. >> Some of them may think about being a programmer, business analyst, etc. >> Or systems analysis, right, developing new systems, yeah, yeah. I think for that part, I believe many of the students may know that- >> Will have an idea. >> Yeah, but then for IS audit, we usually kick start as an entry level IS auditor, and they will have the chances to learn a lot of basic control concept, what are the risk concept especially on the IT areas. So that they can know what are the risk that the clients' system may have. What sort of controls they have to put in place to mitigate that. >> So the true keywords are Risk and Control. >> Yes, yeah, that's right. >> Okay. >> And also at the same times, as an entry level IS auditor, as I mentioned previously, they need to know other than IS knowledge, they would also need to like enhance their knowledge from the business perspective. >> Yes. >> Because when they go into an audit engagement- >> That's right. >> Or they face the auditee, they would have to know what are the process- >> The business process, how they do the business. They not only we can give them some IT advice, but how they can streamline. So understanding the business process is also very important. >> Yeah, I guess they have to know how the IT system is actually helping the business process- >> To get the leverage. >> Right. >> Okay. >> So that when they provide the recommendation to the clients or to the auditee, they will know, the recommendation would be really putting from a perspective that can fit into the business operation itself rather than just like purely giving a very technical advice to them- >> And sometime management may not understand those technical jargons as well, right? >> Right. >> To a certain extent. >> Yeah. >> And depending on the exposure, yes. >> Yeah, so that's why for an entry level IS auditor, they have to know this kind of knowledge so that they can go into the clients and work well with the auditee and provide the recommendation. And then for the career path, that the IS auditors will usually face is that from the entry level, then they will proceeded to the senior level. >> Yup. >> And then to manager level. >> Okay. >> To senior manager or associate director, and then to director, then to partner in a big four. But of course, for some of them, they may work in in-house, may not be in a firm. Then similar path, they may like at very senior level, they would be like, for example head of IT audit, or head of audit or even a chief auditor. So this is the career path that usually the IS auditor may face, if the student is really interested in that, they can anticipate the career path. >> Yes, I've been knowing Gloria for a long time, and if you look at her background, she of course graduated to here in HKUST, Hong Kong University and technology but not in IT. But she graduated in accounting and then she learn and then your company trained you and now you have been here and you're enjoying what you're doing for so many years and you climb up the ladder, you become senior partner. So it's the training that give and then you are a very good example being in the company for so long, enjoying what you're doing, right? So it is something, satisfaction that you have it as a practitioner of information systems auditing. >> Exactly because there are a lot of exposure in different companies because you can imagine even as an entry level auditors, you can face different companies as your auditee. You can really get a lot of ideas in terms of different industry, what are the difficulties that they face and what are the challenges they have. And you can see the latest trend of the technology and could actually really help them by providing your advice to them. >> Yes, so you could see the takeaway for you all is this. You don't have to have a technical background to get into IS audit field. So Gloria is one of a very good example for that, because she started with the accounting degree and then she get into the IT auditing field, and she's been very successful in her area. So that's the takeaway for you all. Thank you, Gloria. >> Thank you.