>> Great, welcome back,
I have Jocelyn Schiller in the in the studio with us today.
She's a pediatrician at the University of Michigan.
Jocelyn, what do you do?
>> I'm the Pediatric Clerkship Director at the University of Michigan so
I work with medical students and residents.
I'm a hospitalist so I work with them on the wards.
Great, thank you.
Jocelyn is kind enough to do this role play in the previous video.
And then is going to talk to us about how to provide feedback so
that we can kind of have a conversation about it.
So Jocelyn, what do you think you did well?
>> Well, you know, I am glad that I took the time to sit down with the learner.
And it was a quiet setting and
we just had some time just to be quiet and think together.
>> Mm-hm.
>> And I'm glad I stuck to one topic because I think on the awards we
often generalize about the whole experience and say.
You did not do a good job, or
you did a great job this week and we don't give specifics.
So I'm glad that I stuck to one topic which was his oral presentation.
>> Yeah that sounds good.
And so when you, and, and,
it sounds like his oral presentation was just terribly disorganized.
>> Yeah.
>> And that he, we got some data there but it wasn't very organized in
the sens that you could have a sense of what was going on.
>> Right. >> And
you know we've talked about the Rhyme model, which is Lopane Garris model.
Which is reporter, interpreter, manager, educator.
Where do you think he fit in the rhyme model?
And how can you kind of give him feedback using that?
>> Yeah, that's a good question.
You know I think.
He got the reporter phase where he knew the facts about his patient.
Maybe he could have been organized with it a little bit.
But what I was trying to do was push him a little bit more to the interpreter role,
where he was taking those facts and using them to develop his assessment and plan.
And I think the assessment was what was missing, and
I was trying to encourage that.
I don't think he was at the manager role, I don't think he could manage his
patient on his own, and I don't think he's quite at the educator role either, but
the interpreter phase was what I was trying to get at.
>> I agree, so he wasn't just spitting out a bunch of facts, but
he was actually organizing the facts.
It's based on this interpretation of what's going on, agreed.
And I felt like you got that cro, that, that point across.
At the end, do you think he had a sense of what he might have done well?
>> You know, I'm not sure.
Watching the video again I think I gave him some feedback, and
I think he might have even disagreed.
I think there's one point where he said,
I thought I knew the patient well, and I disagreed, but.
Maybe exploring that some more would have been better.
>> Mm hm. I think it's,
sometimes I think about making sure that I give them something positive to work on,
so that it's reinforcing the good things that they do and not just that they feel
like they're getting a lot of negative stuff, it's hard for them sometimes.
>> Yeah, I agree, and so what other things might you have done differently?
Sally Santen, M.D., Ph.D.Associate Professor - Emergency Medicine
